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  Proper understanding of the Mediator & New Covenant

  by Crazyguy in

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  mediator and the new covenant.

  the society has taught that only the 144,000 are to par-take of the emblems and jesus only mediates and died for them.

  "he is the mediator between his heavenly father, jehovah god, and the nation of spiritual israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.

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  A "proper" understanding, based on whose hallucination?
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  Even if it's not the truth, it's still the best way to live

  by Simon in

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  2. beliefs

  how many times did you hear that gem?

  it often went along with "the truth is a protection" which is their way of saying "living a moral life is good for you ... and you can't do that without us".. but think about what people are really saying.

  i think the real message is "i know it's not the truth, but i chose to follow it anyway".. it seems like a pre-emptive argument because they know they can't defend it as "the truth" so instead they switch to defending it as a lifestyle.. of course any kind of lifestyle that has a decent moral ingredient to it, respect for law and order, discipline etc... probably increases people's chances of doing better in life, but they don't have a monopoly on it.. so just remember, next time you hear someone saying "even if it's not the truth" what they are really admitting is that they already know it isn't..

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  I remember hearing this bilge when I was a kid, usually after an announcement that so-and-so was a junkie, or a pervert, or successful in business, or woke up in a good mood.

  Because life is SO MUCH BETTER when you follow the advice of uneducated ignoramuses (ignoramusi?) and yield to the tremulous fears of the local busybody old maids.

  Yeah.

  Fer sher.

  [selah]
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  Japan On High Alert

  by snowbird in

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  2. friends

  my g'daughter and her hubby are stationed in okinawa.. i talked with her a few hours earlier today, and she stated they're preparing for the worst.. young people are remarkably resilient, aren't they?.

  sylvia.

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  "High" as in stoned?
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  Church gets own police force - are the Dubs next?

  by SadElder in

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  2. beliefs

  just read this article in the washington times.

  other sites have similar stories.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/12/briarwood-presbyterian-alabama-megachurch-gets-sta/.

  can you imagine the dubs with a sworn police force with arrest powers?.

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  I don't think so.
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  "Has the Large Hadron Collider Disproved the Existence of Ghosts?"

  by unsure in

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  2. current

  "if i understand what you just declared, you just asserted that cern, the european center for nuclear research, disproved the existence of ghosts.".

  "yes," cox replied.. http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2017/02/16/has_the_large_hadron_collider_disproved_the_existence_of_ghosts.html.

  what do you think about this relating to.

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  How could the Large Hadron Collider Disprove the Existence of Ghosts?

  I don't follow you.
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  Anyone know what the special talk is this weekend?

  by charity7 in

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  non jw so thank you for bearing with me.

  do special talks happen with individual congregations or is it throughout?

  i was told by my husband that i had to go with him and the rest of his family to the special talk that was happening this weekend.

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  I have no idea.
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  If you could see the future would you use it?

  by purrpurr in

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  2. friends

  if you had the ability to know what the future held would you use this ability?.

  jws say that jehovah can see the future but he just choses not to.

  which never made sense to me, as if he did use that ability then a lot of the stuff that went wrong could have been avoided.. it never made sense.

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  Absolutely I would. Anyone who would not is just plain silly.
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  Why does Jehovah choose certain people to rule with him in heaven?

  by iWant2Learn in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in other words, what good works have the 144000 done to be secured a place in heaven?

  i am told they have already been chosen.

  does that mean that jehovah also knows our future?

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  Here's THE SECRET: If you SAY you are one of the anointed and you behave yourself, NO ONE is allowed to challenge your claim!

  IF god did exist, he would probably take those who made false claims back behind the barn after making them cut the switch thay would be used to beat them.

  IF there is no god, it all means NOTHING. It is just a sub-set of The Organizational Game.
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  How did you feel when you got baptized?

  by Schnufti in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  back in 2005, i remember sitting in the stadium in the special rows with 42 others.

  8000 people were looking at us - maybe even with a binocular - while listening to the speech.

  my family and my friends among them, being all proud of me.. i don't remember being enthusiastic.

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  It was 1964. I hadn't expressed any desire to be baptized, in fact, if I had been allowed to have an opinion, it would have been to wait. But i wasn't given that option. I had been exposed to Watchtower teachings since I was about 7 and my mom accepted a free home Bible study because she missed her dead father and wanted to see him after the resurrection. So the Bethelite who had been conducting my study of the Paradise book with me told my mom that the time was right.

  Looking back, I see that he did me a favor. Being baptized, I was now a "spiritual man," and I was asked to read the text at the Tuesday book studies, I was able to lead groups of adult women in Field Service (they didn't like this, but as the only male (14 years old) in the group, I was LARGE and IN CHARGE), I was given he longer talks in the Theocratic Ministry School, then asked to read for the Sunday Watchtower study. Eventually I was called upon to close meetings wit prayer, then to open meetings with prayer.

  It was only natural that I should begin pioneering before I was 18. "Vacation Pioneering" pioneering, they called it. It was no vacation! Even though a few members of our little rag-tag group had cars, we walked a lot. A LOT.

  The walking was good for me - I tend to be a lard ass, and the walking kept the lard down a bit.

  In time, my loyal service was rewarded when Jehovah's Magic Spirit directed the local elders to ask Bethel if I could be a Ministerial Servant. The Jehovah Sock-Puppet in Brooklyn said YES!

  Now I was allowed to move the microphones up and down the aisles during the meetings. 'O frabjus day! Calloo! Callay!" I chortled in my joy. It must have been glossolalia.

  Eventually I was asked to give the one-hour public talk on Sunday. The subject was "Angels." Back then we nly were given a rough outline of points to be covered in the talk,we had to figure out how to transition from point-to-point and build the body of the talk on the skeleton that Brooklyn provided. They don't do that anymore, I understand.

  But the best part came around, oh, let's say 1974, I can't recall precisely... I had been baptized for about ten years when an elder I loved -- in a manly, spiritual way -- came to ME -- little ME! -- because he was sick-at-heart. The elders had just discovered that one of the "six month wonders" who was progressing SO FAST and conducting free home Bible Studies with young children in our territory whose parents he had convinced would benefit from a Bible Study. The parents weren't interested themselves -- they just wanted the free babysitter.

  But Brother Wonderful wasn't all he seemed. After having his studies with these kids for a few months, he would say, "Hey Mr. & Mrs. Oblivious, I enjoy going camping in the warmer weather, and I was wondering if you would like for me to take your tender young child into the dark woods for A WEEK? It will be FUN!"

  So the parents got a week off and their boy learned bad things. And he was told that IF he ever spoke of those bad things, his family would be hurt. Badly hurt. Now let's prey...

  The elders in the Middle Village congregation in Queens, NYC, called together a judicial committee. The victim children and their parents tld th elders what had happened. Brother wonderful admitted he had done these things. Case CLOSED. No punishment, no disfellowshipping, no probation, no special needs talk.

  Why? "Because if news of this gets out, it will make Jehovah look bad."

  My baptism was the FIRST STEP in me being an XJW today.

  How's Jehovah lookin' these days, Middle Village? What other dirt have you swept under the Kingdom Hall carpet?

  The pedophile Brother Wondeful went on to marry a single Mom from a nearby congregation. She had two young kids...

  The story never ends.
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  Memorial Bread-Break a piece off or eat whole?

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  question for some of the old-timers in the congregation.

  did those who professed to be of the anointed and partook of the bread, did they break off a piece of the bread and then eat it; or did they take the whole piece and eat it?

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  I just realize that what the memorial really needs is ajar of salmon caviar to provide the missing umami element.

  "Come, follow me; I will make you fishers of caviar."